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Date: "2024-10-24"
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# Podcast recording — 2024-10-24
Recorded episode with Clara Dupont. Great conversation.

## Notes
- Episode theme: product engineering — how to build engineering teams that think in outcomes rather than outputs, and the organizational design patterns that support this shift
- Clara described the transformation her organization underwent when they moved from project-based teams to empowered product teams, including the three failed attempts before they found a model that worked
- Her background as both a product manager and an engineering leader gave her a rare ability to speak both languages fluently — she understands why engineers resist product thinking and why PMs struggle to communicate technical constraints
- Extremely engaging episode; Clara is a dynamic speaker who uses vivid examples and is willing to share failures openly, which makes the conversation feel honest and practical
- Key insight: "If your engineers cannot explain who the customer is and why they care about this feature, you do not have a product team. You have a feature factory with a product manager attached"
- Excellent audio quality throughout; Clara recorded from a media room at her company's office

## Follow-up
- [ ] Send thank-you email to Clara
- [ ] Draft show notes with the product team evolution framework she outlined
- [ ] Schedule editing with [[person-paco-furiani]]
- [ ] Create social media clips — the "feature factory" line is quotable and will spark discussion
