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Date: "2025-06-19"
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# Podcast recording — 2025-06-19
Recorded episode with Diego Santos. Great conversation.

## Notes
- Episode theme: third session with Diego — mid-year check-in on the AI development tools landscape, six months after his initial assessment, focusing on what has changed and what has not
- Diego provided an updated view of AI tool adoption across developer communities, noting that the initial hype cycle has normalized and usage patterns have stabilized around specific workflows — code completion, test generation, and documentation are the clear winners while architecture and design tasks remain largely human-driven
- His DevRel network gave him access to aggregate usage data from multiple companies, making his analysis more rigorous than the usual single-company anecdotes that dominate the conversation
- Excellent bookend to his earlier AI episode; together they document a full year of the industry's relationship with AI coding tools in real time
- Memorable quote: "The AI hype cycle in developer tools has reached the 'actually useful but boring' phase, which is exactly where good tools should be. Nobody gets excited about their linter, and that is a sign it works"
- Clean audio throughout; Diego has completely resolved his earlier setup issues and now delivers consistently professional recordings

## Follow-up
- [ ] Send thank-you email to Diego
- [ ] Draft show notes comparing his predictions from 6 months ago with current reality
- [ ] Schedule editing with [[person-paco-furiani]]
- [ ] Create social media clips — the before/after prediction comparison format works well for engagement
