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aliases: ["Podcast recording — 2024-12-19"]
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Date: "2024-12-19"
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# Podcast recording — 2024-12-19
Recorded episode with Adeel Khan. Great conversation.

## Notes
- Episode theme: second session with Adeel — focused on the human side of large-scale migrations, including how to keep engineering teams motivated during multi-year infrastructure overhauls
- Adeel shared the framework he uses for breaking up migration projects into meaningful milestones that provide visible progress, rather than the typical "big bang" approach that demoralizes teams
- His honesty about the emotional toll of leading a migration — the political pressure from leadership, the fatigue of the team, the constant temptation to cut corners — made this an unusually personal and relatable episode
- Great session that balances the technical depth of his first appearance with more leadership and management insights; together the two episodes tell a complete story
- Key quote: "The hardest part of a migration is not the technical work. It is convincing your team on month fourteen that the finish line is worth running toward when they cannot see it yet"
- Audio quality was clean and professional; Adeel continues to record from his home studio with excellent equipment

## Follow-up
- [ ] Send thank-you email to Adeel
- [ ] Draft show notes connecting this with the first migration-focused episode
- [ ] Schedule editing with [[person-paco-furiani]]
